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Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Xander - 07-31-2007 10:59 AM

I have it from a very reputable source that as we speak Gav Thorpe is working on the Chaos Dwarfs army book, and that we can expect an early 2009 release for Chaos Dwarfs.

Of course, such rumours have been floating around for quite some time, but I am inclined to believe my source based on prior experiences.

This is pretty exciting to me!  This means anything you post right now could possibly influence the book itself, if only indirectly!  Keep the support for Chaos Dwarfs as high as possible as we ramp up to this release!

Discuss! Takes Hat off
-Xander


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - minty - 07-31-2007 11:50 AM

yay, we get a book, ha take that everyone who dosen't like chaos dwarves


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Grimstonefire - 07-31-2007 03:53 PM

I wouldn't be that surprised that he's working on the book now.To design a whole new army and balance it into all the others takes time, that for Gav will be a labour of love I'm sure.

If we say early- late 2009 (to be on the safe side) I'm guessing the model production would begin around March next year, so concept art floating around now perhaps?

They need to do that now, so the armylist/ rules etc would also need looking at now as well.

This confirms to me that I have to complete my book and send it to them ASAP.

@Xander
We will need to have a meeting of mods/ admin to decide the future for CDO when rumours and pics start flying around.  Its going to take some planning.  All that can wait though until we get something concrete.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - hal - 07-31-2007 04:44 PM

Mouth-watering indeed.
I hope it's true.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Xander - 07-31-2007 05:15 PM

Sounds good Grim.  We'll reopen that Rumour Section once things start rolling out.

Cheers! I hope it is true also, he is a trusted source, so I am sitting confident.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - ashur - 07-31-2007 05:20 PM

Pray Hashut for that.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Hashut's Blessing - 07-31-2007 07:12 PM

Two years. Damnit. Wink Good news though. Let's hope it changes from rumour to truth.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - The Flying Beaver - 08-01-2007 12:39 AM

A Chaos Dwarf book in 2009 isn't a new concept to me, but I sure hope this is true. I'll go sacrifice some wood elves now to ensure it happens. Happy


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - grimsnikk - 08-01-2007 01:32 AM

Makes sense.  Having spoken with Jervis a handful of times recently he's talked about the finishing of existing armies.  So making sure that already established armies like Orks or Chaos Dwarfs or Lost and the Damned have a good book is a significantly higher priority than making new stuff, like Alien Hunters or Cathay.  (His examples after people were asking the inevitable "when will my army get new stuff" question)

And with Orks being not too far off and the recent confirmation of a Ruinous Powers dex, CDs may not be too far off

Add some wood to the furnace for me too


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Uzkul Werit - 08-01-2007 06:31 AM

This should be just the ticket to get Games Workshop out of their current drop in profits! Time to start saving.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - minty - 08-01-2007 08:39 AM

I think i jus figgured out why, look at this and think why there finaly giving us something new

http://investor.games-workshop.com/latest_results/Results2007/downloads/GW_year_end_07.pdf

not looking to good with the big GW is it


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - torn - 08-03-2007 07:55 AM

lol profits are down.

my gf's companys profits went down from something like 500m to 490m, so they had to cut down on lightbulbs, despite the fact they still made 490m. i dont understand how big business works, i just know a pub is a bit useless without lightbulbs.

anyway back on topic - hopefully ill have a usable army the day the book comes out!


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - hobblin - 08-03-2007 10:11 AM

Ya we get an army book,oh I wonder will they do hat's or hell cannon style.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Xander - 08-03-2007 10:38 AM

minty Wrote:
I think i jus figgured out why, look at this and think why there finaly giving us something new

http://investor.games-workshop.com/latest_results/Results2007/downloads/GW_year_end_07.pdf

not looking to good with the big GW is it


Depends how you look at it:


Sure that looks kind of bad, right?  Wow, GW is in trouble....

However:


When you look at it this way, there isn't much to complain about, unless you are a shareholder. Hehe.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Sobek - 08-03-2007 10:49 AM

And really, most of the drop of in sale is probably from all the LoTR players moving on after the hype started dyeing down.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Xander - 08-03-2007 10:58 AM

Sobek Wrote:
And really, most of the drop of in sale is probably from all the LoTR players moving on after the hype started dyeing down.

I think that is a very fair assessment.  You can see usual growth in 2001-2004 coinciding with the movie releases.

That kind of goes with my proposed idea for GW.  Keep the same LOTR gaming system, but buy up new IPs (Intellectual Properties), especially movies and release games for them.  Who would have bought a 300 gaming system with sweet Spartan models?  You'd already know how to play the game since it would be the same system, but you'd get sweet new models and rulesets for the different armies.

You can't keep making LOTR games without the hype of the movies.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - torn - 08-03-2007 11:20 AM

what goes up must come down.

i actually blame video games. when we were kids we couldnt afford to have much in the way of video gaming, maybes 1 or 2 new games a year between us, but we could get a few models and a few paints and that would keep us entertained much longer.

now that kids all seem to sit for their whole lives infront of the tv playing on their playstations and xbox's i cant see them being convinced that spending 2 hours painting a model can be as exciting. I would bet all toys and childrens entertainment is suffering as a result.

if i were them id make a re-release of heroquest, a whole adventure in a box sort of thing, except with space marines. nice and simple for ages 8 to 12 ish, with a tv advert. that is bound to sell and get kids into it, ho we al know grow up into us men who spend good chunks of our wages on soldiers.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Xander - 08-03-2007 03:29 PM

I have played video games since before I played HeroQuest.  So I know for myself video games have never gotten in the way.  

But HeroQuest was my ticket in, a mainstream game sold in a department store.  I would love a new dungeon game from GW that would be sold in department stores.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - grimsnikk - 08-03-2007 03:50 PM

You can always convert your own.  I've seen the following counts as armies (or at least a test model)
Spartans:
Dogs of war, Lizardmen, Khorne Mortals (wtf?) Bretonnians (with 2 pikemen per base), Easterlings, Urukhai, Boromir w/ Osgiliath Vets, Grey Knights and Eldar.  And I'm planning on making some once the Dol Amroth Men at Arms come out.
Persians
Skaven, Beastmen (actually my fav.  Xerxes was a Master of Mortal Daemon Prince, the Big base was for his palaquin.  mostly skirmishing dudes and some daemonettes), Harad and Khand.

Talisman is being rereleased in.. October?  That will be probably be sold in other places I believe.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Xander - 08-03-2007 04:17 PM

Ah yes, Talisman could be really fun.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Uzkul Werit - 08-03-2007 04:29 PM

And many Chaos Dwarf armies have a hint of 300 in them.

I hope they don't drop LOTR. My Hobbits are my pride and joy, despite how stupid the little LOTR players are.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - torn - 08-03-2007 05:15 PM

Xander Wrote:
Ah yes, Talisman could be really fun.


i chekced though they arent releasing miniatures with it just cardboard, so i cat see it being an entry into the hobby as heroquest was for so many of us diehards.

i think thats the thing there are a lot of people who start older and dont keep it up, whereas my friends and i who have been doing it 15+ years arent going to stop any time soon. and lets face it at a young age the models are more eye catching than the game itself


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Kyte - 08-03-2007 06:32 PM

most talk in this thread Wrote:
Videogames keeps children from doing models, heroquest was awsome and the new talisman games is made of card...


That's the problem with the new talisman game! We need miniatures! Heroquest was awsome, but what got me into warhammer was actually a videogame... or a computergame. I remember 9 years ago, when Heroes of Might and Magic 3 first came out. I had played heroes 1 and 2 since I was like 5 years old, and got the 3rd game as soon as it came out, but after playing it for a couple of months, I simply needed some material things from the game, and so I began to make fimo sculpts for the differant creatures and play with them. It all went well until one of my friends got his hands on a white dwarf mag. It was the issue with the 4th ed Chaos mortals. I remember when I saw a pic of the slaanesh snake-lady, Dechala the denied one, I wanted it as a Naga Queen, then I saw skinks, griffons, elves, dwarfs, orcs and undead.
Do you remember the old one-piece plastic boxed sets with 5-10 models for like 4? Those were awsome! My first model was such a pack of skinks, then came a zombie dragon and some genestealers (WTF?) and I remember something about an old skeleton bone chariot that I might have got even before the skinks...

Cool old times... The nostalgia...

so videogames can get people into wargaming...

Thanks

- Kyte


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - cornixt - 08-03-2007 07:03 PM

I get the feeling that they will be releasing a load of miniatures for Talisman seperately (or one box at least).
I had the last version, but it always ended badly (I was the only one to ever go against the dragon so I always won, got a bit boring after a while).  I bought a Taurus instead of the plastic dragon centrepiece.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - The Raven - 08-08-2007 01:55 PM

2009 is nothing new actually, the rumors have been late 2009/early 2010 ever since I started my beloved big hats 3 years ago and I believe the speculation was there before then.

Still, it does sound hopefullHappy


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - hal - 08-08-2007 03:09 PM

Quote:
Videogames keeps children from doing models, heroquest was awsome and the new talisman games is made of card...


What about that old school warhammer PC game, that was great fun.
Can't remember the name of it at the moment though.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - hornblow3r - 08-08-2007 04:30 PM

Shadow of the Horned Rat
Free Game Now

Dark Omen
Dark Omen Info

I felt warhammer pc gaming was a side quest of sortsTakes Hat off


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - wallacer - 08-08-2007 04:41 PM

Xander's rumour is nice, but I wonder how long we'll actually have to wait before GW lift the veil of secrecy and state that they are in fact working on the Chaos Dwarf Book?

If I save $10 a week I should have about $1,000 to spend on Chaos Dwarves when the Army is released (take that, credit card Tongue)


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Xander - 08-08-2007 04:55 PM

Nice planning Wallacer. =]


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Grimstonefire - 08-08-2007 05:12 PM

If they are indeed coming out in 2009, I would expect it to be unofficially confirmed by the end of this year (via warseer/ dakka)


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Kyte - 08-08-2007 05:27 PM

According to Hastings, concept skteches have already been stotted, and I wouldn't be suprised, if the new book will be incredible, and make up for the little care CDs have been given during it's lifetime.

Thanks

- Kyte


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - wallacer - 08-08-2007 06:34 PM

Grimstonefire Wrote:
If they are indeed coming out in 2009, I would expect it to be unofficially confirmed by the end of this year (via warseer/ dakka)


Thanks, that was what I was wondering about. Cheers!


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - minty - 08-08-2007 06:45 PM

well, there arre GW greens of samurai armoured goblins but my boss (i work part time at GW now) wouldn't tell me what they where, but i think i just figured it out


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Kyte - 08-08-2007 06:51 PM

minty Wrote:
well, there arre GW greens of samurai armoured goblins but my boss (i work part time at GW now) wouldn't tell me what they where, but i think i just figured it out


If you're planning on leaving GW soon, you should put all in to get pics of those. Even if they fire you, it's worth it!

Thanks

- Kyte


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - minty - 08-08-2007 06:52 PM

1. i don't have pics, my boss just came in wit them in his case
2. I like my job


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Xander - 08-08-2007 09:23 PM

Not these Samurai Goblins I hope. Tongue


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - wallacer - 08-08-2007 11:09 PM

When I read the phrase "samurai goblin" it made me think of the Rackham Goblin miniatures.

Anyway, back on topic.....  if they do start doing the initial interest boosting piccie releases and so forth sometime later this year, I wonder if there is a chance that CD could be playable in the upcoming (rumoured) Man O' War re-release.  A Chaos Dwarf navy would be a lot of fun to play.

Sorry, reading back i'm not entirely sure that was back on topic.  Oh well Rolleyes


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - ChaosStunty - 08-09-2007 12:14 PM

Do you mean DOGS of war?


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - The Flying Beaver - 08-09-2007 01:15 PM

Man O' War was like a fantasy version of Battlefleet Gothic. It was a specialist game where you could build navies and battle them against one another. The Chaos Dwarfs had a navy in this game before it was discontinued. I'll see if I can dig up some pictures for you.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Xander - 08-09-2007 01:18 PM

Games Workshop doesn't really discontinue support for Specialist Games, they just finish with them and no longer stock them in Retail Stores.  They have to do this from a business stand point. Tongue

It would be a cool game to try, especially with some Oil Powered Ships of the Dawi Zharr.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - wallacer - 08-09-2007 04:13 PM

I was just kind of hoping that if they're going to start doing a push for CD later this year they might actually release some CD ships for Man o' War as a kind of gateway drug for when the full Fantasy CD army gets re-released.
I think it would be a clever thing for GW to do, personally, assuming that they are re-releasing CD (or for that matter, Man o' War).


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Doombeard - 08-09-2007 09:20 PM

i think they should make some films of their own to market themselves a bit better. everyone has always looked at fantasy gaming as a taboo - a dungeons and dragons roleplay type geeky pastime. some really good films utilising the advent of CGI / computer animation could be made at a cheap price and reach new audiences dispelling popular misconceptions about the hobby. the dawn of war game has done well for them why not bring the action to a larger screen. and also if they hadnt f****ed up warhammer online im certain that would be more popular than world of warcraft by now . this is the 21st century they need to think past the models and magazines and get with the times . otherwise by the time they do re release Chaos Dwarfs - they will be on the verge of going under


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Sobek - 08-09-2007 09:40 PM

Quote:
and also if they hadnt f****ed up warhammer online


What are you talking about? Warhammer Online isn't even out yet and wont be out for another 6 months at best. We know barely nothing about it, and what I have seen so far looks fantastic. How can you say they screwed it up?


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Xander - 08-09-2007 11:00 PM

GW isn't going under, their stock price could drop, but they are still raking in the cash.  I bring your attention once again to the charts.

Xander Wrote:

minty Wrote:
I think i jus figgured out why, look at this and think why there finaly giving us something new

http://investor.games-workshop.com/latest_results/Results2007/downloads/GW_year_end_07.pdf

not looking to good with the big GW is it


Depends how you look at it:


Sure that looks kind of bad, right?  Wow, GW is in trouble....

However:


When you look at it this way, there isn't much to complain about, unless you are a shareholder. Hehe.


I know we have been getting off topic a bit, so if you want to continue the Warhammer Online discussion, make a topic in the Off-Topic section. Happy


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - minty - 08-10-2007 07:28 AM

I think IamAhobgoblin was talking about the origonal warhammer online, which was a complete failure

back on topic, GW bosses are upsett about sales losses, since i get my supperiors ringing up randomly moaning that where not selling enough of [insert somethin here] and if we don't buck up sales the companys gonna go under

my only sollace with the GW phone recently was someone ordering a bull centaur body last friday


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - cornixt - 08-10-2007 10:09 AM

My bro-in-law quit as manager because of pressure from above.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - AGPO - 09-04-2007 11:32 AM

The dip is probablly down to lord of the rings hype dying down, but also don't forget that since 6th edition Warhammer came out, the following fantasy re-releases have been made: Empire (twice), Orcs and Goblins (twice), Dwarfs (twice), Vampire Counts, Dark Elves, High Elves, Skaven, Hordes of Chaos, Khemri, Lizardmen, Beasts of Chaos, Bretonians, Wood Elves - with ogre kingdoms the only new release. There's only so much you can do with each miniatures range, so some new releases were bound to be on the cards.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Nehan - 09-04-2007 03:15 PM

I spoke with Phil Kelly (he was on polish team championships). He said that VC will be the first in row, then probably DE. As for our CDs, they are to be completly changed and done from scratch. He wouldn't say anything more, but declared himself as a member of the hat lobby.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Hobgoblyn - 09-04-2007 04:36 PM

I have a feeling that the new Chaos Dwarfs are going to shove myself and all other Hobgoblin fans off the cliff.

I have serious reservations against them pulling stuff together and being able to churn out two potentially cool but very distinctly different races at the same time that can/should intertwine into a single army.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - wallacer - 09-04-2007 04:50 PM

It shouldn't be that hard.
Plenty of races have elite infantry and cheap cannon fodder infantry.
The CD cannon fodder just happens to be a different species, but apart from that they're not really that different to most other armies.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Hammerhand - 09-04-2007 05:44 PM

TABLES LIE:
Sure sales are still healthy, but the pre-tax profit (which is the important one) is down.  That resulted in an $0.11 drop in single share value, which some companinies held over 20million shares.  That is a lot of money to lose in one go, and should it decide to pull the plug, GW will be in the deep, brown and smelly.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Hobgoblyn - 09-04-2007 05:55 PM

wallacer Wrote:
It shouldn't be that hard.
Plenty of races have elite infantry and cheap cannon fodder infantry.
The CD cannon fodder just happens to be a different species, but apart from that they're not really that different to most other armies.


That attitude is exactly my point.
No evil berserking wolf riders, no hobhounds, no shamans controling wind daemons, no sneaky assassins, no deadly archers...
Just.. naked little infantry things to be shot at, may as well be Gnobblars for all the difference it makes.

That would absolutely suck and those asking 'hey, can I make a fast infantry army' or 'can an all hobgoblin army be made' are going to be shoved away.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - wallacer - 09-04-2007 08:33 PM

I don't think anyone really knows what's going to be in the new list.  For all we know everything you asked for above will be there.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Willmark - 09-05-2007 09:08 AM

wallacer Wrote:
I don't think anyone really knows what's going to be in the new list.  For all we know everything you asked for above will be there.


Or they may totally F' up the entire list or decide to drop units. I can easily see them ditching both monsters and dropping the hobgoblins all together. This is just a guess but the prospect of GW redoing the CD list is as depressing as it is exciting. Why? Because I have the sneaking suspicion that because it hasn't been updated in so long, that the list now will look NOTHING like it does now. Plus it will be a perfect opportunity for GW to ditch units under the banner of "Well they didn't work in the past, blah, blah blah". No CDs didn't work in the past for 2 reasons:

1) Most people hated the figures (sorry hatters)
2) GW very rarely if ever featured them after about WD#180, or even talked about them.

Note neither of these two reasons have anything in the slightest to do with a bad army composition or a bad range of troops.

That being said if Phil Kelly does the army I have total faith in him to make it kick-butt. If he get saddled with that sniveling, lame ass, butt weasel know as Jake Thorton I will go postal. Why? Ask any High elf player. He so totally eviscerated the High Elf list in 6th that he is widely reviled as the worst writer at GW by almost any HE player. Lastly it seems that it was his "brainfart" otherwise known as the Intrigue at Court rule that made it into the 6th edition book. GRRRRR Mad:

My one hope is that when it is time they listen to our input as we are the only ones playing CD. I highly doubt anyone at CW plays them, at least regularly.

Simply my .0000000002 cents Happy


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Hashut's Blessing - 09-05-2007 10:06 AM

Well, I for one am glad that wie will soon get some solid fluff, some rules clarificiations and models that we can buy, whilst still being able to convert them. yes, some of the list will be nerfed, but that's always going to happen. We won't get everything we want, but I don't mind. Also, another piece of info, I looked at the WHFRP expansion, Old World Bestiary, and have decided I have GOT to get it. It had CDs, BCs and Hobgoblins in. May have the mounts too. Not sure as of yet Big Grin


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Willmark - 09-05-2007 11:34 AM

For a sneak as to GW's thoughts simply look at the dwarf book and the upcoming High Elves army book. CDs will get an elite infantry option ala longbeards and Lothern Sea Guard. CD infantry will most likely have the same option.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Traitor King - 09-05-2007 12:07 PM

You mean, like an upgrade allowing you do make a unit of warriors Immortals?
(Note that orcs have this aswell, with Big'uns as do Chaos with Chosen).

Whats the problem with that?


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Willmark - 09-05-2007 12:16 PM

Traitor King Wrote:
You mean, like an upgrade allowing you do make a unit of warriors Immortals?
(Note that orcs have this aswell, with Big'uns as do Chaos with Chosen).

Whats the problem with that?


Exactly.

I have no problem with this and it represents a logical step for whatever GW ends up calling CD elite infantry.

I'm also willing to bet that CD figures in the new model range will be non-hats for 2 reasons:

1) the look of the models in the past severely hurt sales? Want proof? Who was the only army to get neglected in 5th & 6th? CDs were rare before hand, there had to bean explanation; it sure wasn't the army list, its one of the thoughest out there.

2) While no means set in stone look at the crew of the Hellcannon...

YMMV


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Rootbeer - 09-05-2007 12:55 PM

I would assume that in a rewrite of the CD list the large terror causers might take an additional hero slot, but wouldnt go away. Hobgobs would likely go up in price but come stock with shield, and likely get more options like spears.

I would think blunderbuss rules would change as they are so unusual now, maybe something like the ogres, say an artilery dice per rank of shots with no penalty for range. (this would be an improvement vs cav/ogres)

Dwarfs didn't get screwed up in the last rewrite, they are actually quite capable of being downright hard. I have no worries that a rewrite wouldn't benefit us greatly, while balancing certain things, like making earthshaker 0-1.


RE: Mouthwatering Chaos Dwarf Rumour - Willmark - 09-05-2007 01:02 PM

Possible on all accounts.

The lack of spears for hobbos is indeed puzzling.