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[AoS] How would you combat this stormcast army?ross_lionheart 08-13-2017

I played a one thousand point game of age of sigmar the other day with my chaos dwarfs against stormcast.  And to be honest I felt like selling my chaos dwarfs after the game, which lasted 3 rounds before every model in my army was wiped out.  I was shocked to find how under powered our models are compared to stormcast so much so that I dont even think there is a point in playing if lists created are not going to be balanced.

This is my list, which i feel is fair and well balanced.

Heroes
Daemonsmith (100)
- General
- Darkforged Weapon
- Trait: Lord of War
- Artefact: Crown of Conquest

Bull Centaur Taur'uk (180)
- Darkforged Great Weapon
- Artefact: Crown of Conquest

Battleline
3 x Bull Centaur Renders (160)
- Scalding Great Weapon
- Battleline (Legion of Azgorh)

20 x Infernal Guard Ironsworn (200)
- Battleline (Legion of Azgorh)

10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)
- Battleline (Legion of Azgorh)

10 x Infernal Guard Fireglaives (100)
- Battleline (Legion of Azgorh)

War Machines
Deathshrieker (120)

Total: 960/1000

My opponent on the other hand had a slightly smaller but more powerful army:

Heros:
Celestant-Prime (360)
Knight-Venator (120)

Units

5 x Paladin Retributors (220)
5 x Liberators (100)
-Warhammers
5 x Paladin Protectors (200)

Celestant-Prime could apparently drop a marker on the battlefield anywhere he chooses, with the marker placed he rolls a D6.  every model within D6 suffers D3 mortal wounds, oh yes and he can also change the dice roll as he sees fit.  So if in an ideal situation he needed a 6 and rolled a one he could simply say, Im going to change that to a 6.  He could also do this to roll to wound.  

My poor bull centaurs and tauruk who charged his retributors were wiped out clean within two turns.  My tauruk was wiped out in one due to his D3 mortals wounds!  And by the time I managed to engadge his liberators with my infernal guard there numbers were so low from fire he literally just smashed through them.  I spent alot of money on this army, building it, painting it.. Im just gutted tbh

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RE: [AoS] How would you combat this stormcast army?Thommy H 08-13-2017

From what you've described, he was using some of the Celestant Prime's rules wrong. You can find his warscroll here for reference.

First of all, he can't be deployed on the battlefield at the start of the game: he can only appear in his first movement phase (and he's much less powerful if he shows up right away). This means, with a bit of luck, you can have at least a turn savaging that tiny force before the big guy drops out of the sky.

Second, the Cometstrike Sceptre does D3 Wounds per unit within D6", not model. And I'm not sure how your Taur'uk got wiped out by that in one turn since he has 7 Wounds on his profile!

Finally, the Prime can only change one dice roll per turn. So he could max out the Mortal Wounds from his sceptre, or he can use it on his To Wound rolls later, but not both in the same turn.

The Celestant-Prime is good, but in a 1,000 point battle he's a massive liability. Just make sure you're playing with the right rules...


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RE: [AoS] How would you combat this stormcast army?ross_lionheart 08-13-2017

Thommy H Wrote:
From what you've described, he was using some of the Celestant Prime's rules wrong. You can find his warscroll here for reference.

First of all, he can't be deployed on the battlefield at the start of the game: he can only appear in his first movement phase (and he's much less powerful if he shows up right away). This means, with a bit of luck, you can have at least a turn savaging that tiny force before the big guy drops out of the sky.


So what force would you use to combat this?  

He deployed the Celestant prime during his first turn on the board. He kept him in reserve so he was not set up alongside the rest of his army.

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RE: [AoS] How would you combat this stormcast army?Thommy H 08-13-2017

I'm sure we've had a conversation like this before: your force isn't the issue if your opponent isn't using the right rules. There's no particular reason you couldn't have beaten him, based on the lists. For a start, you could have just concentrated everything on the rest of his (tiny) army and ignored the Prime.


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RE: [AoS] How would you combat this stormcast army?Roark 08-16-2017

Yeah, there's no point discussing tactics when he isn't playing by the rules of his own warscrolls...

You should consider using more fireglaives and magma cannons in general. They're quite strong at 1K. Magma cannons especially are devastating to expensive Stormcast models.


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RE: [AoS] How would you combat this stormcast army?Black_Fortress_Immortal 08-22-2017

For 1000pt you need bodies.  Don't waste points on artillery.  I like running something similar to this:

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Daemonsmith
Ironsworn x 40
Fireglaives x 40

Sometimes I substitute some K'daai or a Balewind in for a 10 man of Ironsworn/Fireglaives.  Mystic shield on the Ironsworn is a must-have, and I like running minimum-sized-units for Fireglaives - on top of the Daemonsmiths, this offers 6d3 mortal wound grenades on your 2+ roll - avg of 10 mortal wounds/game which is more than enough to slaughter the Celestant Prime.  Take the Command Trait that gives +1 to hit rolls against Order, and you'll see some crazy damage on him, and will be able to shrug off his hits.

As mentioned above - his list isn't legal for matched play, as he only has 1 battleline unit - I'm assuming you're doing matched play because you're using points.


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RE: [AoS] How would you combat this stormcast army?Roark 08-25-2017

I agree that bodies are great, BFI, but against a unit of 10 Libs with a 2+ save rerolling 1s (easily achievable with Stormcast at 1K), or a Dracoth Lord, I think that magma cannons with a 24" range are most definitely useful and valuable. Reliable mortal wounds are king.


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RE: [AoS] How would you combat this stormcast army?moogoodoo 11-13-2017

My 1k army is

1× Castellan
1× Daemonsmith
10× infernal guard
10× fireglaives
1× magma cannon
1× deathshrieker
6× k'daai
I just hold back shooting. first to charge is kdaai .then I use the guard to tie up big things and make the most out of magic and command abilities . it's not easy winning but can be done just have to pick your flights, use kdaai for infantry  or as cavalry. I find our war machine's are what makes our army i always take both of these and in 2k take either a hell cannon or a dreadquake, with 2k games I take drazhoeth so people tend to put a part of there army against him then try to avoid my cannons.
Imo must takes are magma cannon and K'daai daemonsmith and a Castellan  but that's just me


sorry about my spelling and grammar i'm just very dyslexic thanks
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RE: [AoS] How would you combat this stormcast army?Roark 11-14-2017

Yeah, the Dreadquake is pretty damn good now, although I think it needs to be partnered with a Daemonsmith and other warmachines rather than towed around on an Iron Daemon or Skullcrushers (which is very suitable for the magma cannon).

Have you tried out either of the trains yet? They are kickass now.


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RE: [AoS] How would you combat this stormcast army?Roark 11-14-2017

Uggh... why can I not edit posts?? I mean Skullcracker not Skullcrushers! Sorry!


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